Comments on: phpBB is Dead, Long Live FUDForum (or at least SMF) http://jacobsantos.com/2006/general/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/ Rumblings, rants, essays, stories by Jacob Santos about Web Site Development, Persistent Browser-Based Games, personal journal, and Programming. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:54:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3-aortic-dissection By: PHP Help: Jacob Santos' Blog: phpBB is Dead, Long Live FUDForum (or at least SMF) http://jacobsantos.com/2006/general/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/comment-page-1/#comment-14419 PHP Help: Jacob Santos' Blog: phpBB is Dead, Long Live FUDForum (or at least SMF) Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:38:39 +0000 http://www.santosj.name/php/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/#comment-14419 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] 09/26/2006 - 01:00 AMViewed 324 times.Full Article: http://www.phpdeveloper.org/news/6364In this new entry on his blog, Jacob Santos is officialy ringing his own sort of death knell for phpBB in the form of [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] 09/26/2006 – 01:00 AMViewed 324 times.Full Article: http://www.phpdeveloper.org/news/6364In this new entry on his blog, Jacob Santos is officialy ringing his own sort of death knell for phpBB in the form of [...]

]]> By: phpbb-openid | Log in, don't register http://jacobsantos.com/2006/general/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/comment-page-1/#comment-12192 phpbb-openid | Log in, don't register Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:37:17 +0000 http://www.santosj.name/php/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/#comment-12192 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Jacob Santos points out in “phpBB is Dead…”, phpBB, once truly innovational, has been falling behind the evolution of user needs. I am [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] Jacob Santos points out in “phpBB is Dead…”, phpBB, once truly innovational, has been falling behind the evolution of user needs. I am [...]

]]> By: robs http://jacobsantos.com/2006/general/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/comment-page-1/#comment-11579 robs Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:23:46 +0000 http://www.santosj.name/php/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/#comment-11579 SMF license isn't how that phpbb or fudforum; it is of the owner; yes the sostware is free but of the owner that can change all when it want; SMF license isn’t how that phpbb or fudforum;
it is of the owner; yes the sostware is free but of the owner that can change all when it want;

]]> By: The Undevelopment Blog » Into phpBB http://jacobsantos.com/2006/general/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/comment-page-1/#comment-7751 The Undevelopment Blog » Into phpBB Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:04:10 +0000 http://www.santosj.name/php/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/#comment-7751 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Jacob Santos points out in “phpBB is Dead“, phpBB, once truly innovative, has been falling behind the evolution of user needs. I am [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] Jacob Santos points out in “phpBB is Dead“, phpBB, once truly innovative, has been falling behind the evolution of user needs. I am [...]

]]> By: links for 2006-11-30 « Spartakan http://jacobsantos.com/2006/general/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/comment-page-1/#comment-467 links for 2006-11-30 « Spartakan Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:22:44 +0000 http://www.santosj.name/php/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/#comment-467 [...] phpBB is Dead, Long Live FUDForum (or at least SMF) - Jacob Santos - Web and Game Development Overview of replacements for phpBB (tags: php development news forum) [...] [...] phpBB is Dead, Long Live FUDForum (or at least SMF) – Jacob Santos – Web and Game Development Overview of replacements for phpBB (tags: php development news forum) [...]

]]> By: Dmitry Shechtman http://jacobsantos.com/2006/general/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/comment-page-1/#comment-222 Dmitry Shechtman Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:07:32 +0000 http://www.santosj.name/php/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/#comment-222 <blockquote>Sadly, phpBB suffers from the “not developed here” paradigm. The push currently is for packages to include User integration and phpBB (Beta 1) doesn’t include those and is “locked in” to the user table. It may take several years before that is added and by then the user evolution might go from decentralized user authentication (like OpenID).</blockquote> This, of course, still holds for Beta 2. Although Jacob is mostly right, he misses the point. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a user table. Once a user is authenticated, it’s OK to make him/her a member. The actual problem is the unfulfilled promise of the auth module system. Yes, Apache and LDAP modules are included in addition to the standard one (“DB”). However, these are all about usernames and passwords, not about identities! Needless to say, the “DB” module cannot be extended, only replaced. <a href="http://www.phpbb.cc/2006/10/07/into-phpbb/" title="My article" rel="nofollow">[...]</a>

Sadly, phpBB suffers from the “not developed here” paradigm. The push currently is for packages to include User integration and phpBB (Beta 1) doesn’t include those and is “locked in” to the user table. It may take several years before that is added and by then the user evolution might go from decentralized user authentication (like OpenID).

This, of course, still holds for Beta 2. Although Jacob is mostly right, he misses the point. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a user table. Once a user is authenticated, it’s OK to make him/her a member. The actual problem is the unfulfilled promise of the auth module system. Yes, Apache and LDAP modules are included in addition to the standard one (“DB”). However, these are all about usernames and passwords, not about identities! Needless to say, the “DB” module cannot be extended, only replaced. [...]

]]> By: zu|us @ IB.Link - » bb phpBB http://jacobsantos.com/2006/general/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/comment-page-1/#comment-205 zu|us @ IB.Link - » bb phpBB Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:47:45 +0000 http://www.santosj.name/php/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/#comment-205 [...] phpBB is Dead, Long Live FUDForum (or at least SMF) Разработка phpBB 3 отложена до лучших времён. По моему мнению, разработка умирает (или скоро умрёт). Разработка phpBB 2.x подхвачена другими проектами, обладающими большей безопасностью. SMF содержит в себе многие возможности phpBB 3 и делают phpBB более простым в установке и использовании. [...] [...] phpBB is Dead, Long Live FUDForum (or at least SMF) Разработка phpBB 3 отложена до лучших времён. По моему мнению, разработка умирает (или скоро умрёт). Разработка phpBB 2.x подхвачена другими проектами, обладающими большей безопасностью. SMF содержит в себе многие возможности phpBB 3 и делают phpBB более простым в установке и использовании. [...]

]]> By: Jacob Santos http://jacobsantos.com/2006/general/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/comment-page-1/#comment-190 Jacob Santos Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:26:57 +0000 http://www.santosj.name/php/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/#comment-190 Hmm, it appears I improperly stated something and added clarification. I don't think it will take another 2 or 3 years for phpBB 3. It should be out within a year at the most. If not at the end of this year. The development team has made a lot of progress completing it and releasing Beta versions. I still think other forum packages will overtake and obsolete phpBB. Hmm, it appears I improperly stated something and added clarification.

I don’t think it will take another 2 or 3 years for phpBB 3. It should be out within a year at the most. If not at the end of this year. The development team has made a lot of progress completing it and releasing Beta versions.

I still think other forum packages will overtake and obsolete phpBB.

]]> By: Jacob Santos http://jacobsantos.com/2006/general/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/comment-page-1/#comment-189 Jacob Santos Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:23:07 +0000 http://www.santosj.name/php/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/#comment-189 Indeed, I was going to "rant" about the group permissions as that functionality is also required for a feature in the project that the lead wants for those to have a private forum for discussion within that group. Um, yeah, I stumbled upon the group functionality in FUDforum and thought it was "difficult" or at least more so than in phpBB. Hmm, interestly I never touched or played with or tried to find the group feature in SMF. I figure that I only have time to dive into one forum package and once I start editing and learning that package, it is something I'm going to stay with. <b>As for SMF</b> SMF and FUDforum share similar traits, but Ilia's code base is more technical. The SMF frontend is rock solid and they do market that their code is "secure". If your demand is a good default template, then SMF would probably be a better choice, if not then just don't bother. Indeed, I was going to “rant” about the group permissions as that functionality is also required for a feature in the project that the lead wants for those to have a private forum for discussion within that group. Um, yeah, I stumbled upon the group functionality in FUDforum and thought it was “difficult” or at least more so than in phpBB. Hmm, interestly I never touched or played with or tried to find the group feature in SMF.

I figure that I only have time to dive into one forum package and once I start editing and learning that package, it is something I’m going to stay with.

As for SMF

SMF and FUDforum share similar traits, but Ilia’s code base is more technical. The SMF frontend is rock solid and they do market that their code is “secure”. If your demand is a good default template, then SMF would probably be a better choice, if not then just don’t bother.

]]> By: Christine K http://jacobsantos.com/2006/general/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/comment-page-1/#comment-183 Christine K Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:25:56 +0000 http://www.santosj.name/php/phpbb-is-dead-long-live-fudforum-or-at-least-smf/#comment-183 I run a large and not-so-large forum with FUDForum which I "upgraded" to from phpBB several months ago. I'm an evangelist, I'm warning you now. One thing you may not have had the fortunate experience to encouter is the speedy response of Ilia Alshanetsky, the lead developer of FUDForum. If I run into a bug or problem with the software, he has, without fail, responded within 24 hours, often within 4 hours, with a fix. I ran into a lot of strange bugs with the phpBB importer because I was stuck on an older hacked-up version of the database. Now, I am happily running two FUDForums. One of them I have integrated into my main website so that when you create an account on the site, you automatically get a FUDForum account. As far as ease of use, getting used to the template system and the more detailed, but more confusing "group" permission is worth the time investment. (I say this all, having not tried SMF. I made the decision to ditch phpBB when I was exploited and all my posts deleted (I had backups) -- my main interest was security and Ilia's credentials are rock solid in that department) I run a large and not-so-large forum with FUDForum which I “upgraded” to from phpBB several months ago. I’m an evangelist, I’m warning you now.

One thing you may not have had the fortunate experience to encouter is the speedy response of Ilia Alshanetsky, the lead developer of FUDForum. If I run into a bug or problem with the software, he has, without fail, responded within 24 hours, often within 4 hours, with a fix. I ran into a lot of strange bugs with the phpBB importer because I was stuck on an older hacked-up version of the database.

Now, I am happily running two FUDForums. One of them I have integrated into my main website so that when you create an account on the site, you automatically get a FUDForum account.

As far as ease of use, getting used to the template system and the more detailed, but more confusing “group” permission is worth the time investment.

(I say this all, having not tried SMF. I made the decision to ditch phpBB when I was exploited and all my posts deleted (I had backups) — my main interest was security and Ilia’s credentials are rock solid in that department)

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